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Hi all
Do any of you guys know how the rating system works. The easyest would just be to take the avarege of all the votes for a song. But is there a minimum number of votes that one song must have to reach the to 30? And does a vote count less if it's given by an inactive user?

Just wondering since I have noticed some strange up and downs ...

hope you'll answer.

respect
drone

On 12/06/2007 @ 11:18, Subliminal said:
> They use an algorithm which takes into account both the number of votes as well as the average.

That's correct. We use a Bayesian average system, similar to what's used in places like IMDB etc. So for best results you need both number of votes and quality of votes.

We also have a method of checking for fraudulent voting. Which might come as a surprise to some people when we apply it...

thanx for your answers !
Makes sense.

You have not even posted one song in the contest ! So what is your complaint ? I am a producer and 3 bands I am producing are members since quite a long time in this community, If you check out the music you will find that all songs are quite different. What's your point ? Why should the bands not participate in the contest ? There are apart of me many other members who play in different bands and entered songs in this contest (e.g. Hintermann, The Man Behind , The Evil Seagulls). I used this community also to do many collaborations with other members which is beautiful as I can play with so many talents all around the world. I would never have been able to do this without this beautiful place MI7. I am very thankful for this and if those community members enter some of our collaboration songs in the contest - well of course I will vote for them - that's what friends are for. So don't blame the contest, don't blame MI7 and also don't blame me.

I have listened to most of the songs in the top 30, and in my opinion all of those deserve to be there. But that's also the case for a lot of the other songs. It has been said many times before, also outside of the context of this contest, that there is a lot of quality stuff present in this community and in the contest. But there is only room for 30 songs in the top 30. ;-)

And for the rest I can only agree with what Mindmovie and Blue Planet have already said. Mindmovie is a very active member for a long time (from way before this contest) and he has a lot of friends, which gives his music a bigger presence and a bigger chance to be heard and voted for. But if his music wasn't any good then all the friends in the world wouldn't be enough for him to be in the top 30. And to be honest (oh my...), there are a lot of people who only come to this community to enter a couple of songs for the contest and then seem to disappear forever. Ofcourse, that is their right, but there is a little more involved if you want to stand a chance in this contest.

And yes, let's not forget that this community is not about this or any contest, but about having the opportunity to listen to a lot of good music and maybe even create something fantastic with people from all over the world, which otherwise would never have happened.

And now it's time to do some dishes...:-(

Hello good mi7 folks,
While Aeronaut in the previous post probably expresses my general attitude best, I have to admit that while contests can spur creativity and participation, and attract interest in the site generally, I probably won't be participating in any contests here by and large- for the simple reason that that I don't want people adding me as a friend, or commenting on my page for the sole reason of enlisting my vote for their contest entry; nor do I want someone getting miffed at me for voting for another track or artist instead of them. I certainly understand supporting your friends, there's nothing wrong with that at all; I'd rather just enjoy listening and commenting, and being listened to and commented on in return (and hopefully collaborating with somebody eventually), without the pressure and sweaty desperateness of contest-frenzy. The whole band scene in RL is (or was, when I was in one) full enough of "I'll grit my teeth and pretend to like you, because I can get better gigs if I'm your friend" kind of nonsense- blechh.

If you know me from ccmixter, you know I'm very active over there, and while I certainly have friends there (and here), those friendships are due to honesty and respect; Mindmovie and others seem to have a similar attitude on this site, positive, encouraging, helping the community grow- I love his "Today I recommend:". Sites like this can be daunting for a newcomer to music-making, or someone offering their music in a public setting for the first time.
Contests have their good points, and their place on sites like this, but for me, it's about enjoying good music, making new friends, and learning something new- if that's how I keep it, then any "networking" that happens is just icing on the cake, and I'll know that it's coming from something genuine, rather than some callous ladder-climbing exercise.

If I treated people like "Help make me a star, or get out of my way", I don't think I'd have any friends at all, virtual or otherwise... "You meet the same people on your way down, as you met on your way up", as they say; I may never "be on my way up", but why not be real with people?

...All right, that's quite enough out of me, I didn't mean to preach, but I guess I kinda did anyway ;)

LOL Fireman...
No, You'll never catch me behind a pulpit- at least some stages have security, (or at least chicken-mesh to catch the bottles).
You're right, of course- I'd certainly love to get three days in that studio; but the cynic in me couldn't help but wonder "...now was that '72 hours', or 'three 8-hour sessions'?"
What can I say- I love people individually, and humanity as a whole, but subdivisions in-between tend to keep me on my toes ;)
Thanks for posting!

Hi,

i´m member since 7.12.2007 and missed the deadline of the contest , so i`m following the contest relaxed . I don´t know details of the voting system . It`s always difficult to arrange a fair votingsystem . I understand that some members are angry about friendship-voting and that some members take part in different bands and projects. The current top 30 shows that clearly . On the other way nearly everybody would do that too if the votingrules allows that . It is assumed that a musician like his other projects , otherwise he would not take part in that bands.
In my eyes the votingsystem of the last contests at peter gabriels realworldremixed is a very good termination . The members are voting the top ten , twenty or thirty and a jury chooses a winner of that voted top 10 , 20 or 30 .So it is nearly unpossible that someone win a contest in use of friendshipvoting .

happy christmas

Matthias ( sorry , my english is moderately )